D. Vincent DeLorenzo and Clara Wren dive deep into the art of arranging poems within a collection, offering concrete strategies, vivid tests, and hands-on exercises. Learn how sequencing shapes energy and meaning, and discover practical tools for your own manuscript journey.
Chapter 1
Clara Wren
Right, let’s get to the heart of it. Sequencing a poetry collection, a lot of folks think it’s just sticking all your bird poems together, then all your rain poems, and so on. But that’s not actually the job, is it?
D. Vincent Delorenzo
No, not at all. Sequencing is about guiding the reader’s experience. It’s almost like, well, shepherding the reader, making sure they’ve got the energy and the breath to go deeper. It decides when someone is strong enough, on the page, to face the next thing. You can't just, you know, hammer them with six devastating poems in a row—or drop all the quiet ones at the back end. It’s about managing the rhythm and meaning as they move through.
Clara Wren
It’s not just grouping by theme—it’s about building a path, right? Almost curating the reader’s stamina and shifting their perspective as they go.
D. Vincent Delorenzo
Exactly. Theme is just one rail. The other, and maybe the slipperier one, is breath—how poems use line length or white space, how dense the poem is, point of view shifts, even the way the final image sits on the page. Sometimes it’s a poem that closes the light out, other times it cracks a window open for the next piece to wander in. And honestly, when I was sequencing She Was the Fire, I realized: if I just grouped by theme, I lost the sense of transformation I wanted the reader to feel—like they could actually hold out across the whole collection, and change by the end.
Clara Wren
That breath, that pacing—so it’s not just technical, it’s emotional, too. Giving the reader the right space to push forward—or rest, or be surprised. It’s actually kind of a friendly thing to do for your audience, isn’t it?
D. Vincent Delorenzo
Yeah, you want them to feel welcome, even when it’s hard. Think of it as, well, a relay—sometimes you hand them the baton, sometimes a cup of water, sometimes just a place to sit and breathe before they go again. And that shows up not just in what the poems say, but how they’re built on the page—short, long, airy, dense, all those craft elements stacked up together.
Clara Wren
I love that. And honestly, it reminds me of when we talked about managing emotional stakes through physical objects and weather, like in ‘Ashes in the Rain’ and our departure stories episode—you’re always creating space, so the reader’s never completely lost or crushed, but always moving.
D. Vincent Delorenzo
Exactly. The sequence, in a way, is the silent guide between the poems—the stuff most folks never see until it knocks them sideways or makes them wanna keep turning pages at 2am.
Chapter 2
Clara Wren
Alright—let’s get practical. You’ve got this set of tests: Pulse, Echo, and Spine. What are those, and how can writers actually use them in their own collections?
D. Vincent Delorenzo
Sure. Pulse is basically the heartbeat—the cadence and the form. If you line up six long, breathless blocks of text, your reader’s winded, right? It’s about alternating short, prompt poems with longer, denser ones, so you can control the reader’s stamina. You keep that pulse varied.
Clara Wren
Keep from knocking the wind out of everyone, basically. What about Echo?
D. Vincent Delorenzo
Echo is the conversation. Each poem shouldn’t just repeat the last, but you want images, phrases—sometimes even tiny motifs—kind of ricocheting through. They answer, question, or complicate what’s come before. Like in She Was the Fire, there are matches and kettles and, I dunno, stuff like bedding—objects that recur. It’s almost like they’re talking across chapters, threading the story together.
Clara Wren
That’s brilliant. So you get connection without hammering the point—the reader notices a kettle cropping up again but in a new light each time. And Spine—what’s that?
D. Vincent Delorenzo
Spine is the backbone, the direction, and you spot it in the verbs that drive each section or arc. So, for She Was the Fire, the verbs go from endure, to reframe, to give. If you can summarize what the poems in a section are doing—breaking, wishing, leaving—then you’ve got a spine. If you can’t, maybe the order needs work.
Clara Wren
How do you spot these for your own manuscript though? It’s so easy to get tangled up in your own words, and miss what’s really repeating or evolving, don’t you think?
Chapter 3
Clara Wren
Alright, let’s arm people with a toolkit they can try right now. What are your go-to practical steps for actually sequencing, not just staring at a pile of poems feeling lost?
D. Vincent Delorenzo
I’ve got five basics: First, make an index card for every poem—just the title and the last image. Second, tempo strip—mark each as S for short lyric, M for medium, L for long or prose, so you see the pacing at a glance. Third, underline all your recurring objects, and decide if you want them clumped together or flung apart. Fourth, do a weather pass—rain, heat, night—just track where each type is, and don’t let three of the same pile up unless you want a thunderfront. Fifth, the Door/Window Test: ask if your poem ends on a ‘door’ (closed off) or a ‘window’ (open to something more), and alternate those where possible so the reader never feels boxed in too long.
Clara Wren
That Door/Window one is a game-changer. It feels so simple, but when you’ve got a few doors in a row, you can sense the air getting stale as you turn the pages, you know?
D. Vincent Delorenzo
Exactly. And when it comes to cutting poems: lose the one that just repeats a point without a fresh image, but always keep the oddball you’re not sure about—the weirdo tends to be keystone, the one that only you could write.
Clara Wren
Let’s test this out for folks. Quick mini-workshop: grab six poems—any six. Write each one’s last image on a card, then lay them out in this order: invitation, cost, kindness, hard truth, gift or choice, true quiet. Vary the forms too—alternate lengths, alternate weather, don’t get stuck on one trick. If you see two of the same object side by side, break them up with a weather change. And run the Door/Window test across the row; if you get two doors or windows in a row, flip something.
D. Vincent Delorenzo
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D. Vincent Delorenzo
Definitely. Here’s what I do: I literally map the last image of every poem and write down the verb that runs through each section. Get super granular about it—what’s sticking out, which verbs actually move things forward. Sometimes I even color-code, but maybe that’s just me nerding out. But once you can see that spread across your pages, the patterns aren’t just about what you intended—they’re about what you accidentally built. And that’s where you start adjusting.
Clara Wren
So, look for the heartbeat, listen for echoes, and chase down the action verbs that keep the reader moving. Those are the three tests—makes manuscript arrangement feel a little less mystical, doesn’t it?
D. Vincent Delorenzo
Yeah, and it gives you something to actually check, not just vibe with. And, honestly, even when you think you’ve nailed it, mapping last images or verbs always shows you where the real sequence lives—or where it’s dragging.
And then—read them aloud. If you can say what the section’s really doing in one verb, you’re onto something. That’s your spine right there. Actually, Clara, I almost axed what turned out to be the spine poem in my own debut manuscript just because it felt like it repeated an idea. It wasn’t until I was done moving cards around that I realized, oh—this one is actually the bone the rest clings to. Sometimes what seems redundant is what everything else needs to work.
Clara Wren
See, that’s why you just have to try it. For anyone listening: use the index cards. Risk a new image, trade out the one that’s just echoing itself. And let us know what happens—I want to hear if someone finds their own weirdo keystone at the last minute!
D. Vincent Delorenzo
Yeah, and if you do, drop us a line or a comment. And remember: you don’t need to have it perfect—just, you know, set it up so your readers keep moving, breathing, and hopefully, finding themselves at the end, changed.
Clara Wren
Alright, that’s it for this one. Try the toolkit, challenge yourself, and as always, thank you for sitting in with us tonight by the lantern.
D. Vincent Delorenzo
And if you got something from this, let us know, or leave a quick review. Show notes have a complete checklist of all the steps. I’m D. Vincent—
Clara Wren
And I’m Clara Wren. Keep the lantern lit. We’ll see you for the next one!